tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post3712975055911044365..comments2023-10-21T08:59:26.630-07:00Comments on Such Is Life...: It's OK! He's A Conservative.Ginohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-65752545578372552482007-04-25T19:03:00.000-07:002007-04-25T19:03:00.000-07:00hm..I'd think most of us are concerned about the E...hm..I'd think most of us are concerned about the Earth. It's just how far do we take it? Either way, unless we're doing deliberate harm to others, liberty should be paramount. And the more responsible citizens are, the less the govt has excuse to intervene and interfere. <BR/><BR/>Hey, Gino, got your email addy now, gulch is still down, and I think I'll look into a 'free' discussion board, if anyone is interested. Still....no one has showed up at PaperExpo....so maybe no one really cares?<BR/><BR/>Trisha<BR/>oxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-35339451526481215702007-04-24T19:27:00.000-07:002007-04-24T19:27:00.000-07:0033 comments! Holy cow! Well, just thought I put i...33 comments! Holy cow! Well, just thought I put in my 2cents but I'm too lazy to read all previous remarks so I guess not:o)Mercy Nowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02460657808114487254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-67807423837041338842007-04-24T16:43:00.000-07:002007-04-24T16:43:00.000-07:00fun blog. thanks for sharing:)fun blog. thanks for sharing:)sattvicwarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12223480813668927698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-78092654742597796602007-04-24T07:24:00.000-07:002007-04-24T07:24:00.000-07:00will have to wait and see what releases this frida...will have to wait and see what releases this friday.<BR/>last week's flicks seemed to be either a little to estrogenated or navel-centric for my preference.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-68360062519752942702007-04-24T06:57:00.000-07:002007-04-24T06:57:00.000-07:00Ok Gino, we've exhausted this topic. Where's th...Ok Gino, we've exhausted this topic. Where's the latest obscure foreign movie review/picture of comely lass?<BR/><BR/>Afterall, that's what we all come here for.Kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266271635016369131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-21944826466756770532007-04-24T06:49:00.000-07:002007-04-24T06:49:00.000-07:00the book talks about extreme claims intended to sc...the book talks about extreme claims intended to scare, and how certain studies are blown way out of proportion for political gain.<BR/>she was an enviromentalist herself, who saw the things in more of a costs vs benefits view, and how much safety was too much to pay for when there was no reasonable benefit to be had.<BR/><BR/>basically, a common sense aproach to enviromentalism.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-19125802868739837012007-04-23T22:38:00.000-07:002007-04-23T22:38:00.000-07:00RW--yes. Both parties have a stake in keeping Ame...RW--yes. Both parties have a stake in keeping Americans inflamed and unthinking. "Letting" the lefties have the environment issue is probably exactly what happened, strategically. The parties suck.<BR/><BR/>We need new voices. I think even despite horrendous "schooling" and a banal media culture, Americans have more sense than the two-party system lets us show.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Gino--well, noone would ever say I'm any good at soundbites. But I don't think that needs to put us on the defensive.<BR/><BR/>We just have to go for tenacity, I think.<BR/><BR/>Or speak a million miles a minute to get all the points in, which is my real-life solution. People either follow it (and it's usually good stuff) or feel so overwhelmed they give up ;).<BR/><BR/>Every once in a while I have to bludgeon someone to death (Anonymous at LC's, for instance).<BR/><BR/>I once called a stick-in-the-mud national talk show and got three pertinent alternative-thought points (about birth and babies) in before the host realised he should shut me down. It was a beautiful thing.<BR/><BR/>And no, I haven't read that book either.<BR/><BR/>Does it cover the as-yet-unmentioned dangers of removing energy from the atmosphere (windmills) and oceans (tidal power)? Hydropower was supposed to be "harmless," too. And of course most solar panels involve, last I heard, the same set of poisonous materials computers do.<BR/><BR/>Just to show I'm not an unthinking environmentalist ;).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-61112137962981475562007-04-23T12:37:00.000-07:002007-04-23T12:37:00.000-07:00any populist issue will be stolen by the left.cons...any populist issue will be stolen by the left.<BR/>conservatism is, or should be, by nature, wary of govt intervention.<BR/>the socialist left has no qualms with dicating the lives of others. it is what they do, and exactly what they promise to do.<BR/><BR/>a commen sense approach, as outlined heavily in the book i mentioned, is too hard to soundbite and explain to a dumbed down public at large.that is the problem.<BR/>the conservationist always gets outscreamed by the preservationist, and is on constant defense.<BR/>you can win on defense.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-51376766111217223022007-04-23T11:54:00.000-07:002007-04-23T11:54:00.000-07:00The GOP let the left steal the environmental issue...The GOP let the left steal the environmental issue from them, just like a lot of other things. It was Teddy Roosevelt who started saving wetlands, even though they weren't called that yet; and it was Richard Nixon who created the Environmental Protection Agency.<BR/><BR/>The environment is -or was - or should be - a "conservative" issue. It used to be. But they gave it to the looney left, and now we have total idiots making sense. That's why life is so confusing!RWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14416316296228157208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-51859656899611330262007-04-23T01:49:00.000-07:002007-04-23T01:49:00.000-07:00have you read, speaking of books, Trashing The Pla...have you read, speaking of books, Trashing The Planet, by dixie lee ray? or is ray lee? ...<BR/>i think its dixie ray lee... anyway, something like that. i know i got the title right.<BR/><BR/>this book has done more to inform my thinking, and made me suspicious of enviro claims,than 12yrs of eco-indoctrination in the school system.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-20270994508058527712007-04-23T01:05:00.000-07:002007-04-23T01:05:00.000-07:00Aww, Gino, that's sweet. I didn't know you though...Aww, Gino, that's sweet. I didn't know you thought I was winning ;). I wouldn't bother trying to hand your ass to you if I didn't think you were a worthwhile sparring partner.<BR/><BR/>Kal, thanks for the compliment. I look forward to seeing more of you here; my time constraints (better known as my kids) limit my blog-surfing. Gino's is one of only four I keep regular track of right now, and since Andy is off his theology kick I really haven't been commenting anywhere except here.<BR/><BR/>I haven't read the book you mentioned earlier (in fact hadn't heard of it), but am always glad to run into another granola conservative (I assume "crunchy con" derives from that 1990s nickname ;) ). Like you, I keep hoping moral/economic conservatives will logic their way into environmentalism ... for the world and not just their own backyards, as both morally and economically the world is the stage upon which we play now.<BR/><BR/>At least the evangelicals are starting to come around, in line with their transforming social agendas, and parts of the Catholic heirarchy are applying the legalities and theological logic to the new concept of limited and fundamentally communal resources ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-89085961497237490982007-04-22T15:24:00.000-07:002007-04-22T15:24:00.000-07:00kal:yeah, she's pretty smart for girl...((ducks))k...kal:yeah, she's pretty smart for girl...<BR/>((ducks))<BR/><BR/>kr has handed my ass to me before, but she's smarter than me.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-73040672542747702922007-04-22T11:15:00.000-07:002007-04-22T11:15:00.000-07:00See, this is why I haven't been commenting; kr mak...See, this is why I haven't been commenting; kr makes my case better than I can...<BR/><BR/>My dream world is also one where I am unemployed, but because we are living sustainably and there is no more need for folks to prod the policy makers in the right direction.Kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266271635016369131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-34101769354982057402007-04-22T00:10:00.000-07:002007-04-22T00:10:00.000-07:00;).Luv ya.And I still think catering to big busine...;).<BR/><BR/>Luv ya.<BR/><BR/>And I still think catering to big business is the source of all unhappiness in America today ;).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-64022275583670013972007-04-21T22:57:00.000-07:002007-04-21T22:57:00.000-07:00now that's my kind of put-down, subtle,yet there, ...now that's my kind of put-down, subtle,yet there, without blatent namecalling.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-82203469590252628452007-04-21T14:14:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:14:00.000-07:00uh uh, Gino, I'm not buying itmy parents' generati...uh uh, Gino, I'm not buying it<BR/><BR/>my parents' generation is dying of cancer before their parents' generation<BR/><BR/>when the grandparents get cancer, they respond to treatment faster and are less likely to die of any given episode--they also get "normal" cancers, like prostate, not deadly weird untreatable ones, like pancreatic; they get predictable cancers, like lung cancer (they've earned that, eh?), not cancers that require long names (non-Hodgkins lymphoma of type x y or z) because they've only recently been showing up in numbers that they could be defined.<BR/><BR/>cancers that used to be "70 year old cancers" are becoming cancers of middle age; cancers that used to be middle-age cancers are showing up in 20 year olds<BR/><BR/>(the 20 year old thing, though, is maybe more prevalent in females, and I have no problem attributing it to a variety of unsafe sexual-revolution medical interventions instead of pesticides)<BR/><BR/>your jr high argument is pretty on the surface, but doesn't match what I see happening and what research I've seen ... I argued a lot of things in jr high that made surface sense, but I'm a big girl now<BR/><BR/>(Sorry. 'Had to tag you back for "dear" ... and implying I am being stupid ;). I don't object to affection-names, if they play to my strengths. "Dear" just cannot sound like anything except someone patting the other on the head.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-88949455815090847772007-04-20T23:15:00.000-07:002007-04-20T23:15:00.000-07:00oh yeah, dear,...folks are living much longer rais...oh yeah, dear,...<BR/>folks are living much longer raising the possibilty of succumbing to cancer when all other traditioanl deadlies have failed.<BR/>its not that hard.<BR/>i argued this is jr high.<BR/><BR/>something will kill you, eventually.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-89097533879255530372007-04-20T23:12:00.000-07:002007-04-20T23:12:00.000-07:00now there is a dilemma for lets-live-like-indians ...now there is a dilemma for lets-live-like-indians enviros.<BR/><BR/>too many folks kill the earth.<BR/>to much poison kills people.<BR/>we need to get rid of the people, and the poisons....<BR/>but how,now?<BR/><BR/>cant save the damn earth for trying,.<BR/>LOL<BR/>love it.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-36159177190518734552007-04-20T09:20:00.000-07:002007-04-20T09:20:00.000-07:00PLUS, and this won't really "worry" you I suspect,...PLUS, and this won't really "worry" you I suspect, but it is interesting,<BR/><BR/>men in Europe are losing fertility ... the numbers I've seen are something like 1/3 of men are now infertile; I saw one article from Britain that suggested it was more like 70% that were either fertility-challenged (my word, not theirs) or infertile. The govts of course are "mystified."<BR/><BR/>The alternative press pegs it on the artificial phytoestrogens used to grow crops ... which not only end up in and on the crops but in the watertable, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-62538242492223275812007-04-20T09:16:00.000-07:002007-04-20T09:16:00.000-07:00PS the pesticides-in-kids studies were done becaus...PS the pesticides-in-kids studies were done because the first study surprised the scientists; they weren't expecting high concentrations, and the single all-organic kid was included more or less accidentally. (The first study was only 10 kids, a basic exploratory test.)<BR/><BR/>That kid coming up clean led to a larger study that confirmed that the first results weren't a fluke.<BR/><BR/>Also that if a kid thenm is switched to all-organic their bodies clear the toxins within I think it was 6 weeks. It's like smoking; once you stop the body can clean up an amazing amount; years of data are clear that your chances of dying from a smoking-related disease decrease exponentially the longer you stay away from smoking.<BR/><BR/>Which is why folks in their 40s shouldn't be dying of cancer. And why stopping poisoning as much as possible as fast as possible is not just a feel-good hippie ideal. It's an effective action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-19843451311148793772007-04-20T09:08:00.000-07:002007-04-20T09:08:00.000-07:00Hey, 1/3 of my generation was legally aborted, mis...Hey, 1/3 of my generation was legally aborted, mister.<BR/><BR/>And your generation is dying of cancer at rates that are just stupid. I see NOTHING about cancer death of people in their 40s and 50s being even vaguely natural.<BR/><BR/>We <I>are</I> dying. It's just handy for the moneygrubbers that either people have been brainwashed into not caring (abortion) or take so long to die the corporation has cashed out first or can claim "too many variables" (yep, too many OTHER corporations pouring poison and mutagens probably have muddled the data--more reasons why they should ALL be required to pay the cleanup costs up front).<BR/><BR/>So there ; Phbbbbttt.<BR/><BR/>(There was a recent set of studies showing that kids who ate 100% organic were the only ones who did not have neurotoxin pesticides in their systems ... and the other kids often had levels higher than what even the govt declares safe. Whether or not they are killed, these kids are being damaged.)<BR/><BR/>I am also generally against subsidies. Except temporarily, for good causes ;). Reasonable sunset clauses must be included, and they must be hard to renew. Mostly I consider them R&D funds. Perhaps I'll just recast my funding as R&D. That certainly would make it harder to renew indefinitely!<BR/><BR/>Of course, like abortion, regulating is the "easy" fix that isn't really a fix, it's a bandaid (albeit an important, life-saving one)--we have to reeducate the consumers (er, people) to value human life. Or they will find ways to buy cheater products, merely moving the crises elsewhere (and giving people around the world more reasons to resent us).<BR/><BR/>More reasons to take apart the current school system. (It's all connected, see ;). )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-14604057484122481362007-04-20T00:33:00.000-07:002007-04-20T00:33:00.000-07:00once again, using subsidies is forcing me to pay f...once again, using subsidies is forcing me to pay for something i may not want to buy, in effect forcing it on me.<BR/><BR/>i oppose all subsidies.<BR/>my dream world is a world where Kal is unemployed.<BR/><BR/>gee... with all these evilnastyselfish corps running around wantonly killing children, how the hell did i, or either of you two, survive to adulthood?<BR/><BR/>dont know bout you, but i just stayed clear of moving cars, and the rest was easy.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-76496323469978663422007-04-19T14:28:00.000-07:002007-04-19T14:28:00.000-07:00Mr. Al Gore Jr...ah, and Gino of course is the fla...<I>Mr. Al Gore Jr...</I><BR/>ah, and Gino of course is the flame-instigator ;)<BR/><BR/>Gino: Yes, CFLs have vaporized mercury and suckier light ... theoretically the local haz-mat drop off site is supposed to do some capture-disposal thing when I drop them off (but I suspect they just bust them still :P). I use a mix in the house, myself, and am careful to not destroy the bulbs. I take the CFLs in to hazmat when I take my batteries in. And I pay ($5/load) to recycle my styrofoam, so yes, I am probably a certifiable enviro-freak.<BR/><BR/>Kal: Nah, I know Gino is conservationist ... I just think he can take it one further ;). (Just like we all can, eh?) I know he really cares about people, is the thing (even if they irritate the crap out of him) ... it is just a small step, after all ... everybody's doing it ;) ... <BR/><BR/><I>the difference is that i dont try to force others to live as i do.</I><BR/>now now, I am just trying to guilt everyone into it! <BR/><BR/>but if I am ever elected to office (in all my spare time ha ha), you can bet I'll be co-sponsoring subsidies for organic agriculture and non-carbon energy development, and voting down subsidies for anything that purposely involves poison<BR/><BR/>to turn your own anti-abortion-regulation argument at Kal's aginst you, Gino, it isn't my observation that corporations (or most people) will take care of the little people (kids, minorities, etc) without regulation and enforcement ... protecting people (and, yes, bees and frogs) from poison etc. seems to me just another defense of the weak against the strong (and therefore under your justification a legitimate target for govt regulation)<BR/><BR/>remeber that all poisons affect children geometrically more than they affect adults in the same environmental concentrations (the docs keep saying this is because kids are smaller, which I think makes no sense, and I am no scientific dim bulb; I think it is because they are actively growing, and the smaller they ar the faster they are growing--sucking up and incorporating the stuff arond them)<BR/><BR/>the strong have historically in these cases raped society and the environment and then declared bankruptcy to avoid paying anyone back/paying anyone at all (my neighbor uses his vets' benefits to get oxygen for the blacklung the defunct coalmine didn't pay for--taxpayers screwed again, workers and environment screwed--but what the hell, we had some cheap coal for a while and all got addicted to massive electricity use! woo hoo!)<BR/><BR/>people are being actively hurt, and the perps are both conscious of it and refuse to admit that they bear financial responsibility--but they claim "rights" to all the financial benefits<BR/><BR/>I cannot see the logic in permitting this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-19336169448875011802007-04-19T12:23:00.000-07:002007-04-19T12:23:00.000-07:00I hate word verification. Just another thing to s...I hate word verification. Just another thing to screw up after I spent ten minutes on a particularly witty or insightful comment.<BR/><BR/>(Yes, I do sometimes have witty or insightful comments)<BR/><BR/>As to compact fluorescents, it's a little bit of mercury, and they're working on taking it out. <BR/><BR/>(And traditional lightbulbs have tungsten, which is dangerous in the groundwater too. And with CFLs you use so many fewer bulbs that it's still a good trade-off. Afterall, Mercury is found in the emissions of coal-fired powerplants too)<BR/><BR/>And as to "good" light producers, they're getting better all the time.<BR/><BR/>You know, KR's right, you've admitted you use CFL's, you're not fooling anyone, Mr. Al Gore Jr...Kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266271635016369131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9044859131970603127.post-47073074372376565032007-04-19T10:06:00.000-07:002007-04-19T10:06:00.000-07:00conservationist:yes.enviro earth worshipper wacko:...conservationist:yes.<BR/><BR/>enviro earth worshipper wacko:no<BR/><BR/>the difference is that i dont try to force others to live as i do.<BR/><BR/>and why i will soon flee CA for rural lands, and hopefully buy some of my own.<BR/><BR/>as for the comment issue: i think you and i are the only ones who dont have 'word' verification. i hate that feature.<BR/><BR/>you DO know that swirlie bulbs are not as good light producers as traditional bulbs, right? and they contain mercury to poison the earth after disposal?Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.com